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It's time for the American people to stand up to the GOP and stop putting the blame on the back of the President!

Sat Sep 3, 2011 9:48 PM EDT
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By Tink-2285193
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Everyone expects the President to do 'something' to stop the GOP and their continued hostage taking of the American people and deliberately blocking anything that would help our country get back on its feet and produce jobs. But, his powers in that dept are limited, and if the people of America really want to put a stop to it, then they can take their anger to the people who are really to blame, and stop blaming Obama for what he can't do about it. So yeah, he can scream, he can yell, he can growl and bark and all that 'he-man' BS, but, in the long run, it means nothing, gets nothing accomplished, and just stirs up more hate and discontent between Americans, who are already at each others throats over the economy, unfair laws being passed and point the finger of blame at each other, thanks to the GOPTeaBags playing their game of divide and conquer.

The American people need to wake up, stand up, and tell their Reps "We are mad as Hell and we aren't gonna take it anymore! Now get the Hell out of Dodge!" The Town Halls are no longer a means of meeting with and speaking openly with their Reps, because if they ask a question the Reps don't like they will just have you removed. Or, make you buy a high priced ticket that most average Americans can't afford just to see them and sit quietly and listen to them talk, thus, stifling the American people's Constitutional right to access to them, petition them and express their views to their Reps. The Reps do not care what the American people say, it matters not what they want or don't want. The only ones they care about or listen to is Norquist, the Koch Brothers and Tea Party. That is, until election time. Then they will use their same lies and gamesmanship to get reelected so they can continue raping America and its people.

It is the American people who voted these TeaBag Borgs into office who need to get off their damned dying a$$ and take them to task. They voted them into office, they are responsible for their actions, not the President, and they are the ones who should be the ones to curb them, not continue to put the blame for their own mistake on the back of the President, who had no say in who these people voted for.

People say the President should stand up and be more aggressive. I say it is the American people who need to stand up and be more aggressive in their demand that these religious and political extremists do what is right for America, to stop their unconstitutional harassment and collective on-going hostage taking of the American people. These GOPTeaBags do not have a sole ownership deed to America, they do not have the right to sell it out, or its people, to anyone for the profit of their own religious or political agenda or personal gain.

You have a phone.....use it. You have a comptuer...use it. You have the US mail...use it. You have a voice...use it. And, you have the media...use it. Let the GOPTeaBags in DC know who America belongs to and who controls it. It belongs to the American people. Not to their party, not Norquist, not the Koch Brothers, not Wall Street, not Big Oil, not the Corporate Mafia, not the Dominionists, and not the Tea Party.

The GOPTeaBag's extremism to cut the throat of every American and destroy our country simply because they so hate the black man in the WH is something that should not be tolerated, nor supported. They are killing the very fabric and cohesiveness of America and what being an American is about. They do not have the right to do that, and should not be allowed to do that. If they refuse to fulfill their duty as Reps then they should be removed from office ASAP by those who put them there in the first place. And if those who put them there in the first place refuse to do what is right for the country they also share the everlasting shame and dishonor for the destruction of our country.

Every American who does not stand up for America on their own soil dishonors and disgraces the blood spilled and lives lost by those who fought, and are fighting, on foreign soil to give Americans the right to freedom.

Stop! Stop making Obama the whipping post for the mistakes of others!! He did not vote these a$$holes into office, and _YOU_ should be the ones doing your part as an American to stop these hate filled, anti-American GOPTeaBags from destroying our country even more by the day. It comes down to one thing......which side of 'America' are YOU on?  A free America, or the America of the Koch Brothers, Corporate Mafia, Big Oil, Tea Party, Wall Street and/or Evangelical and political extremists?

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tyler-1708225

"Every American who does not stand up for America on their own soil dishonors and disgraces the blood spilled and lives lost by those who fought, and are fighting, on foreign soil to give Americans the right to freedom"

But you want to deny them the right to freedom to vote for the candidate of their choice instead of who you think they should? You want to deny them the right to the freedom to their opinions instead of adhering to your opinions? You want to deny them the right to blame who they personally think is to blame, instead blame who you think they should?

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 10:01 PM EDT
Plantsmantx

They are killing the very fabric and cohesiveness of America and what being an American is about.

Actually, they're just highlighting the fact that the "cohesiveness" has never been real.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
Tchem

Good one Plant!

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
Plantsmantx

It's true. In a very perverse way, they've provided a service, at least to those who made themselves believe that this "cohesiveness" existed.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
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CaptainObviousSays

the notion that jobs should be created by the fed.....

insane or socialism take your pick.

here is what happens when the feds create jobs.....

Solyndra, the solar panel manufacturer that received a $535 million federal loan in 2009 and collapsed on Wednesday.

cheers

:)

  • 12 votes
#2 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 10:01 PM EDT
grumpy_jon

Once again, you show that Obvious should not be part of your nom de plume. Solyndra is not a federal organization, but it was supported with loan assistance by both Presidents Obama and Bush. So was GM and Chrysler, which saved hundreds of thousands of American jobs; with the trickle down effect of factory workers supporting other workers in the community, it could easily become millions of jobs saved.

Generally, business creates jobs. Currently, they are creating a lot of profits, record profits even, and much higher pay for executives; just no jobs. Of course, to you, that is Obama's fault; I've heard the BS many times. All of the blaming of Obama does not deflect from the fact that those who (you champion as) the job makers are and the lack of jobs in spite of exceptionally high profits.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:08 AM EDT
addMoreJuice.comDeleted
Tink-2285193

Captain - It is not the Presidents responsibility to create jobs, all he can do is present a proposal or plan for ways of providing the means for the private sector to create more jobs. It is the responsibility of Congress to pass legislation to make it possible for the private sector to create jobs. Achieving that normally requires bipartisan cooperation and compromise, that is how it is meant to work, to make sure that the needs of the America people are met and in the most efficient way for the country.

We see and hear nothing now but 'Our way or the attitude from the GOP side. And if the American people suffer because of their lack of willingness to compromise and do what is right for the American people their attitude is, in the words of John Boehner, "So be it!"

This is not what America nor real Americans are about. And never has been in more than 400 years, so there is no 'days of our forefathers' to return to because they were always willing to set aside politics and religion to help each other and their people in times of great need. So the Tea Party worshipers can't use that as an excuse to agree with Cantor or his GOP supporters in Congress.

Is it insane? Totally.

  • 12 votes
#2.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:31 AM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

We see and hear nothing now but 'Our way or the attitude from the GOP side.

really???

like when the dems passed ObamaCare without a single vote from republicans?> that kind of compromise?? LOL yeah.. whatever.... that argument simply will not fly....

we elected the GOP to stop the dems bull@!$%# agenda of things like "obamaCare" they do a good job and will be rewarded in 2012 for putting a stop to Obamas agenda... tis simple as that

liberals seem to forget they are the minority,,, and the real majority oppose Obamas agenda.

spin that any way ya like but that simple fact will not change American majority is a center right country not even near the left side of the political spectrum

when the dems passed ObamaCare against the will of most Americans they asked for the azz kicking they got in 2010 and will receive again in 2012 - ya reap what ya sow - elections have consequences... liberals days are numbered... get used to it now so it will not be such a shocker in 2012

  • 8 votes
#2.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:16 AM EDT
Tink-2285193

"like when the dems passed ObamaCare without a single vote from republicans"

You mean, when the GOP was the Party of No. There was an attempt to compromise, but, the GOP would have none of it. Just like now. And the funny thing is, it was once their idea, they supported much of what was in the health care plan before it was Obama's plan, thinking that they would be happy to have something they had supported be presented. But, of course, like many other things that the GOP had supported before, but, would not vote for it on Obama's watch, not matter how much it might help the American people.

Actually, most Americans really don't give a rats butt who is the minority or majority, liberals or conservatives, and most don't know the the actual difference. They just want Congress to do what is right for America and its people. Period. And the GOPTeaBags are preventing that from happening in every way they can, and to even make things worse in every they they can. That is why the GOP approval rate has tanked since the debt ceiling fiasco they pulled. So, I don't have to spin it in any way....the facts speak for themselves. Unless, like many others of the GOPTeaParty you only go by what Fox News says are the facts.

And I think the "shocker" in 2012 will be on the GOPTeaBags when they find themselves losers big time, even worse than the Dems in 2010.

  • 9 votes
#2.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:49 AM EDT
Lampell

Currently, they are creating a lot of profits, record profits even, and much higher pay for executives; just no jobs. Of course, to you, that is Obama's fault; I've heard the BS many times

Of course thats not his fault, but you can bet your bottom dollar if unemployment was to go down, who do you think would be the first person to claim credit? Any time unemployment dips down a bit, guess who gives a speech, that we are getting there, its the summer of recovery etc. So the problem is in life, you want credit ya gotta take a bit of the blame:)

He was also a leader when he wanted the stimulus passed saying that if it werent passed unemployment might shoot up to 8 pct, and the bill would create 3 to 4 million jobs. As it turned out only 100 billion dollars was spent on "shovel" ready infrastructure projects, as even the President admitted, there werent too many projects ready. As unemployment went up the pitch changed, well the stimulus will create/save 3 million jobs and when that didnt happen it changed to , well it would have been much worse and it should have been bigger. The House proposed 500 billion stimulus, the President is the one that upped the ante with his bold leadership.

So yes, of course, dont blame the man, there is nothing he could do, but make sure he dont get the credit since "his bill" didnt reach its objective. The Fed, by the way did the heavy lifting, saving the country from having credit freezing up, spending over 2 trillion dollars buy T Bonds, mortgage securities, car loans, emergency loans to banks etc. So the 100 billion that was spent saved us? or maybe it was 2 TRILLION dollars from the Fed.

  • 2 votes
#2.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:03 AM EDT
GA Girl-718836

Damn Strait! America screwed itself through reactionary voting instead of putting individuals in office who knew what the hell they were doing! Now we have a screwed up Repub/Bagger party feeding on itself and holding the progress of the country hostage! Choose THIS DAY what America you want to see because there are two distinct visions out there so if you enjoy the Bagger version please be quite and enjoy the world as it currently is cause it will only get worse. If you don't like that version then vote for the opposite of it in November.

  • 3 votes
#2.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT
SAtownMytown

CaptainObviousSays

We see and hear nothing now but 'Our way or the attitude from the GOP side.

really???

like when the dems passed ObamaCare without a single vote from republicans?

^^^ Actually Capt. , the repugs allowed the Obamacare, in exchange for the Bush Tax Cuts to be kept instead of let them expire. Technically, that was the only way Pres. Obama could get medical benefits for children with pre-existing conditions. He tried to get it for both children AND adults, but the republiCONS wouldn't budge. After all they don't care for the kids, so why would they give medical any adult?

  • 5 votes
#2.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT
SAtownMytown

Tink-2285193 I think the "shocker" in 2012 will be on the GOPTeaBags when they find themselves losers big time, even worse than the Dems in 2010.

^^^ Well, let's hope, huh? >:)

Actually, I think so too. The current Repugs are too busy stating something positive, then turning around stating the opposite or withdrawing what they said.

You know why? (hint) Jackass, the movie.

Everyone, these days loves watch a joke or a beatdown being done at someone else's expense. And as long as there's trouble in America, and someone to beat down (obama), they Rwing will always seem like they're the best solution, but in the end, they'll drop the ball. Why face these nation's problems when someone else can take the heat for it? Know what I'm saying?

  • 3 votes
#2.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:05 PM EDT
Ripley8

cap .. since you obviously don't get it ...as usual ..

Why Is US Business So Anti-Obama ???

As we have demonstrated time after time, Obama has done everything to give BIG business, especially, whatever it wanted, depending on corporate middlemen to "get the job done," no matter what.

In his two "signature" pieces of legislation so far – health "care" and financial "reform" – the President made sure all the major players were take care of – and more.

Then, when the BP oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico literally blew to kingdom come,

"no drama" Obama was content to let BP "handle" the situation

until its absolute failure finally led to public pressure for his self-evidently reluctant intervention.

So where do all these heavy politicos in the business community get this idea he's so opposed to them,

when he's made every effort to make sure they get pretty much whatever they want ???
http://www.economywatch.com/economy-business-and-finance-news/why-is-US-business-so-anti-obama-29-07.html

  • 1 vote
#2.10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

Why Is US Business So Anti-Obama ???

because they are conservatives.... simple

  • 1 vote
#2.11 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
Lampell

the repugs allowed the Obamacare, in exchange for the Bush Tax Cuts to be kept instead of let them expire. T

Republicans didnt "allow" Obamacare, it was passed by using the nuclear option, avoiding filibuster by the Republcans. Obamacare was passed March 2010. Bush tax cuts were extended just after Nov 2010 midterm elections therefore before Republicans took control of House. So I dont know how you came up with that scenario.

    #2.12 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
    Ripley8

    CaptainObviousSays

    Why Is US Business So Anti-Obama ???

    because they are conservatives.... simple

    very true !!! they ignore facts in their hatred !

    • 1 vote
    #2.13 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
    CaptainObviousSays

    no way I am putting my money into Obamanomics....

    I would expect any sane person to feel that way.

    even at today's prices I can build at 50cents on dollar compared to the sales price so...

    after Obama is un-elected I am buying property and building more houses... but not till then.

    • 1 vote
    #2.14 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT
    Ripley8

    so I take it you put your money into Reaganomics ? trickle down ? Bush policies ?? all of which failed ??

    • 3 votes
    #2.15 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:41 PM EDT
    SAtownMytown

    Republicans didnt "allow" Obamacare, it was passed by using the nuclear option, avoiding filibuster by the Republcans.

    ^^I don't know what nuclear option you're talking about, but I know you're wrong in sasying the Repugs didn't have anything to do with letting the medical provide for the pre-existing conditioned. I was dating someone at that time that was relieved that it was passed. And the only way it could be done was for Obama to leave the BTC alone. You are wrong. bye.

    • 2 votes
    #2.16 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
    Tink-2285193

    SAtownMytown - #2.9 - I can't even say the GOPTeaBags and their supporters remind me of the movie "Ground Hog Day." While their rhetoric and illogical, extremist mantra and propaganda is the same day after day after day....etc., they constantly flip-flop about what they are for or against or believe that you can't trust one word that comes out of their mouth. While they may have the consistent convictions of their party agenda, they have no consistency in their personal convictions, moral code or principles. Thus, you can never believe where they ever really stand on any given topic or issue on any given day....week, month or year.

    Their insane, if not in some cases diabolic, religious extremism, blaming God for their decisions by declaring that God talks to them and tells them what to do about every aspect of their life, or proclaiming themselves a self-named Holy Prophet of God, passing a law that, starting with the sixth grade, all girls in their state must be given shots of a controversial drug without parental consent, or that any woman proven to have had an abortion for any reason will be given the death penalty, only adds to their lack of believability, lack of even a moderate state of rational sanity, and lack of credibility to be an American President among educated, intelligent and sane people, not only in America, but, the world in general.

    The people the Tea Party, Koch Brothers and their corporate Mafia cartels are putting their money behind as candidates for President of America screams volumes of their intension's for America and its people. They don't just intend to take over America and its people, they intend to destroy it.

    The Tea Party, Koch Brothers and their corporate mafia cartels are testing our resolve as country and a people.

    Abraham Lincoln said: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

    It is up to the people of America to save ourselves as a people, and our country. At this point in our history...the greatest weapon we have against the enemy within is our votes. We must our collective votes for what is best for the American people and our country, not for the gain of the political party we may belong to. As if we fail to defeat the enemy within at this point, we have no one but ourselves to blame for our destruction.

    • 1 vote
    #2.17 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT
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    CaptainObviousSays

    Native American - Cherokee Nation

    that is cool...

    I am Apache myself...

    cheers to ya

    :)

    • 5 votes
    Reply#3 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 10:05 PM EDT
    Tink-2285193

    Very cool, Cap'n, and cheers to you as well. :-)

      #3.1 - Tue Sep 6, 2011 2:37 AM EDT
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      David Noah

      Its too bad you decided to take a partisan approach and only place blame on half of the problem. Do you honestly believe only one half of the current two party system is to blame?

      1+?=2?

      The problems we are now facing did not just appear over night or occur in the last decade they have been brewing for decades. They were not just caused by one party. Unless your trying to claim Democrats have been absent for the last few decades.

      Have you considered that it is articles like this, continuing to try and widen the divide of the American people, that plays into the Republicans and Democrats ability to keep the country divided? That choosing sides like this is whagt keeps the two party system going, and not allowing other parties to develop, to break the strangled hold the Dems and Reps have on our political system, that is part of the problem?

      • 5 votes
      #4 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 10:13 PM EDT
      addMoreJuice.comDeleted
      Tink-2285193

      David Noah - I am not talking about yesterdays, I am not talking about decades ago, or other Presidents. I am talking about here and now, and President Obama. And it is not just addressed to GOP people, because there are a lot of decent Republicans, Democrats and Independents that are just as fed up with the GOPTeaBags as everyone else.

      I do believe I stated my opinion quite clearly, and attempting to derail it by going into areas that do not apply to the here and now addressed in my article is not really doing anyone any good here.

      You are free to believe as you please, as am I and all others, but, do stay on Topic.

      • 9 votes
      #4.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:20 AM EDT
      redsfan

      Excellent article Tink - and I agree with you completely. Thanks for making it an article!

      • 9 votes
      #4.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
      ERich-356044

      I agree as well.

      One group of Congress has been the ones constipating the system. (I love to use that word for the Tea Party... the constipators of Congress...)

      THey are the ones who signed a silly plegde to a non-elected person (Norquist) and didn't budge or compromise on the debt ceiling and threw our credit rating into a downward spiral.

      Tink, thank you for writing this. It is perfect.

      E

      • 4 votes
      #4.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT
      David Noah

      Perhaps what you fail to recognize is that our elected officials are supposed to represent all the people, work for the benefit of all, work for the will of the people, and do what is best for the country, not just their special interests, the lobbyists that support them, etc.

      Unfortunately it has gotten to the point that the political parties work in the interest of those that support them. They are in the pockets of the highest bidder and the ones that can bring them the most votes.

      To not realize that is to live in a fantasy World.

      Perhaps your biggest fear of the Tea Party movement is that it is not beholden to corporations or community organizations therefore you cant control them. Cloward and Piven said it best in the last few sentences of there thesis "The Weight of the poor, A Strategy to end Poverty". Until people stop voting based on "loyalty", and start voting based on who they think will do the best job representing them, the country will continue to keep going down the road its going.

      It is quite obvious who Tink is loyal to. Hopefully most people are more open minded and can look past the ridicule of party loyalists.

      http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/24-4

      And those seeking new ways to engage the Negro politically should remember that public resources have always been the fuel for low-income urban political organization. If organizers can deliver millions of dollars in cash benefits to the ghetto masses, it seems reasonable to expect that the masses will deliver their loyalties to their benefactors. At least, they have always done so in the past.

        #4.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
        Brite

        Actually... the biggest problem with the Tea Party is that they, by and large ARE controlled by big business, and by people like Grover Norquist.

        When one group of people, like the 257 Republicans sitting in today's joint Houses of Congress (216 in the House, 40 in the Senate) throw out their Oath of Office to enforce a pledge to a lobbyist... It's too much... it goes too far.

        What people are seeing is not so much fear... as backlash.

        • 1 vote
        #4.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
        David Noah

        Brite, the same thing is true for the Democrats. They are beholden to the Unions, community organizations, and special interests groups that are only interested in getting legislation passed that benefits them.

        In the 2008 Presidential election McCain spent 333 million on his election while Obama spent 735 million, twice as much. Now Obama believes he needs 1 Billion to get re-elected. Who is the one that owes more political favors?

        As far as violating their "oath of office" who is the one that violated the Constitution by getting us into a military action in Libya without Congressional consent which violates the war powers act?

          #4.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:21 PM EDT
          Brite

          Unions spent less on the election that people think... they weren't Mr Obama's biggest contributors... But they did support him big time. Only 11% of the population are in a union, now...

          Here's the breakdown... lots of little union contributions... but it doesn't separate out GOP and Republican contributions...

          • 1 vote
          #4.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
          Brite

          Constitutionally... it didn't... now did it? And... we were actually involved in 3... count them... 3 actual OMG we did something bombing runs... All within the month that POTUS said that we would be in and out. Wow... just... wow... I spent more time in AIT...

          BTW... if you are going to wrap yourself up in the Constitution, like the GOP did, at the opening of Congress... maybe you should read it first... They didn't...

          • 1 vote
          #4.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
          psychodd1

          44 % of all goverment Jobs are union and 7 % are private unions. My brother and father are both in the boeing union.They both vote republican.

            #4.10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:52 PM EDT
            David Noah

            You are free to believe as you please, as am I and all others, but, do stay on Topic.

            The overall theme of your article is nothing more than an emotional plee, a propaganda piece to support the Democratic party and ridicule its opposition, the Tea party and GOP. There is not one item about actual policies or legislation the Republicans or Tea Party are pushing.

            Therefore I am on topic because I am trying to point out that it is baseless and pointless hate filled ridicule and rhetoric such as this that is part of the problem of politics in the United States.

            "It is the American people who voted these TeaBag Borgs into office who need to get off their damned dying a$$ and take them to task."

            The GOPTeaBag's extremism to cut the throat of every American and destroy our country simply because they so hate the black man in the WH is something that should not be tolerated, nor supported.

            I say it is the American people who need to stand up and be more aggressive in their demand that these religious and political extremists do what is right for America, to stop their unconstitutional harassment and collective on-going hostage taking of the American people.

            He did not vote these a$$holes into office, and _YOU_ should be the ones doing your part as an American to stop these hate filled, anti-American GOPTeaBags from destroying our country even more by the day.

            Who's the one spreading hate?

              #4.11 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
              CaptainObviousSays

              Who's the one spreading hate?

              liberals make it toooooo easy for us huh? LOL

              good fun all the way round

              cheers

              :)

                #4.12 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                DN - 4.11 - I agree...it is a personal plea..a personal opinion. And the topic of that plea, that opinion, is all the misguided and unfair finger pointing that people at doing to the President, instead of taking the responsibility for their own actions. But, if you read it carefully, and objectively, I also did say that it was not only the Republicans who should stand up and tell their Reps and Senators to represent America and its peope. Obviously, the words America and its people you attribute only to Republicans, as if they are the only ones who are Americans or American people. But, that is not what I said.

                There certainly is a topic, and it ceratinly does involve politics. It is not totally about the GOPTeaBags, or even those who voted for them. The topic is exactly what they title says, for the American people to stop blaming the President for what they themselves are not willing to do. Democrats blame him for not taking more aggressive action against the GOPTeaBags, and those who voted for the GOPTeaBags, who now are suffering buyers remorse big time, blame the President for not taking more aggresive action against them, but, none on either side are doing anythng about it themselves.

                That you and others choose to derail the thread by going in many other directions in order to avoid the topic, does not mean there isn't a topic. And again, I ask you, and others, to please stay on the topic of this article.

                And it is not hate with which I write, as you choose to presume, it is anger, and there is a difference between the two emotions and definitions of the words. That some here may not understand the difference is not my fault.

                Hate: 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest:

                Anger:

                • 2 votes
                #4.13 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:25 PM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                continued form 4.13..(sorry....ran out of time edit)

                Anger: is an automatic response to ill treatment. It is the way a person indicates he or she will not tolerate certain types of behavior. It is a feedback mechanism in which an unpleasant stimulus is met with an unpleasant response.

                And yes, I used the word aggressive, but, again, there are different terminology for aggressive, and by aggressive I mean that they should take their anger out on those who are causing the problems in America, not on just the one person, who may not be able to do what they want them to do. You choose to see the meaning of the word as violence, and that is not how it is meant, and I don't think that I advocated violence against anyone.

                • 1 vote
                #4.14 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:32 PM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                "redsfan - "Thanks for making it an article!"

                You're welcome, redsfan. I finally figured out how to do it. :-)

                • 1 vote
                #4.15 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:55 PM EDT
                common sense-353470

                Thank you Tink for putting the onus on the people who vote. You are not suggesting blame on the President for not being able to do the right thing for the country. You are asking the American voters to do the right thing under our democratic system. It's refreshing!

                On the other hand Americans better exercise our democratic rights ASAP because the GOPTea are passing laws left and right to rid us of our pesky freedoms. Even the right to vote is being undermined by GOPTea voter suppression attempts.

                • 1 vote
                #4.16 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT
                David Noah

                Its ok to call people you don't agree with "Teabag Borgs" , "Teabags cut the throat of Americans because the President is black", "Religious" and "Political Extremists", "unconstitutional harrasment", "hostage taking", "A$$HOLES", "Hate filled" "Anti American".

                But your upset at how the President is being treated?

                Seems to me turnabout is fair play. The left is the one that started the attacks. Every time we turn around its "Racist GOP", "Racist Teabaggers", "Bigots", "Hatemongers", etc.

                I believe it was Saul Alinsky in his book "Rules for radicals" that said "make them live by there own (sick) rulebook".

                The left constantly calls for civility and yet its the left that are the first ones to drop it when it gets in the way of ridiculing someone or some movement.

                P.S. Please notice I use Democrat, Obama, etc. and not the many and colorful terms that are so often used. You should give it a try some time then you wouldn't look like a hypocrite writing an article about how the Republicans and Tea Partiers treat the President when you constantly use derogatory terms to refer to those two groups your railing agaisnt.

                • 1 vote
                #4.17 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:49 PM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                David Noah - I will be most happy to use polite and respectful terms toward the GOPTeaBags when they start treating America and the American people with the civility and respect they deserve, and stop using them as hostages and treating them like fodder for their personal and party grist mills.

                Respect has to be earned in my book, and that holds true for anyone, not just the Tea Bags. The Tea Bags have done nothing to earn my respect.

                As for civility.....being willing to sell out your country to the highest bidder for your party or personal gain, and using the American people to do so is not civilized behavior where I come from, and I come from America. I owe the GOPTeaBags no respect for what they have and are doing to our country and its people, and if that displeases you, well......then that displeases you.

                As it is obvious that you refuse to even come close to being on topic I will no longer respond to your posts.

                • 1 vote
                #4.18 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                common sense-353470 0 - 4.16 -

                "Thank you Tink for putting the onus on the people who vote."

                You are welcome. There are many ways to do battle against the enemy without violence. I am not afraid to let my voice be heard. It takes every member of the team being willing to do their part to win the game. But, for those who won't even bother to suit up they have no place on the field.

                • 1 vote
                #4.19 - Tue Sep 6, 2011 3:24 AM EDT
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                lamplighter

                Everyone expects the President to do 'something' to stop the GOP and their continued hostage taking of the American people and deliberately blocking anything that would help our country get back on its feet and produce jobs.

                And everyone also knows that he had a majority in both houses in his first two years, the GOP couldn't stop anything even if it wanted to. Recall that his first meeting with Republican legislators on the economy set the tone with that bipartisan comment: The election's over, I won." He got stimulus, healthcare, QE1, QE2 and 3.4 trillion dollars later, the average American feels no positive changes in the economy just more anxiety over a growing deficit that is a real existential threat to the future of the country.

                There was no Tea Party back in '08. It came about because the President himself created it with his policies and the methods used to implement them. The House turned over in 2010 because the public wanted the brakes placed on all of it. Like them or not, those elected GOP/Tea Party reps did exactly what they said they were going to do: Put a stop to all of it.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#5 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 10:50 PM EDT
                grumpy_jon

                ...the GOP couldn't stop anything even if it wanted to.

                Excuse me, but, have you been sniffing the fumes from those lamps you light? They stopped the "Public Option", which was the most decent thing in the Health Care Law and let the "Public Mandate" go through, even though it was the worst part of the same law; they were willing to end unemployment insurance for millions of Americans lapse if they didn't continue tax cuts for a few, they were willing to let the government default because they couldn't stop the debt in the way that they wanted, and they are now willing to stop the tax break for the working class by raising their Social Security Taxes. Hell, they (as in, Cantor) are even willing to stop relief for victims of Irene if they don't get to cut programs that they don't like.

                The GOP is ready, willing, and perfectly able to stop many things that help out the working people of this country; and they already have!

                • 10 votes
                #5.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT
                addMoreJuice.comDeleted
                psychodd1

                Your High.

                • 3 votes
                #5.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:28 AM EDT
                addMoreJuice.comDeleted
                MeanGene-3334839

                I don't want the government to do anything, not one damned thing and I'm grateful to the Tea Party for putting a stop to the most horrible and incompetent government in the history of the world.

                The Congressional Approval Rating is down to 13% now, nearly 90% of Americans DO NOT LIKE THIS GOVERNMENT so why would anyone want a government they don't like to do anything at all? It's practically a lock that nobody is going to like what they do.

                Given that doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing, and given that this administration can only do to the wrong thing, then the logical conclusion is we need a FULL STOP to this government. A complete pull on the emergency brakes is exactly what we need, and the Tea Party has wisely pulled that handle.

                When this STUPID government tried to keep unemployment below 8%, it promptly shot up over 10% thanks to their utter incompetence.

                When this STUPID government tried to save the car companies, they KILLED the brands of Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and Mercury. After pumping BILLIONS into General Motors and Chrysler, both companies wound up bankrupt ANYWAY!

                When this LOUSY government tried to fix the 45 Million Americans without health insurance in 2009, they wound up with 52 Million Americans without health insurance in 2011. INCOMPETENCE IN THE EXTREME!!

                So why would ANYONE want this ABOMINABLE INCOMPETENCE to govern us any further than they already have? With help like this, who needs problems?

                Our government has a reverse Midas touch. You remember King Midas, the man who turned all he touched into gold? Well, Obama's administration has the reverse of that. Everything Obama touches turns to crap.

                We need MORE TEA PLEASE!!

                • 6 votes
                #5.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:28 AM EDT
                sjayne2355

                Here, here, MeanGene!

                • 3 votes
                #5.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:04 AM EDT
                LanaD

                Nothing but Republican talking points, mean.

                I'm grateful to the Tea Party for putting a stop to the most horrible and incompetent government in the history of the world.

                LMAO!!! Seriously?? No... seriously?

                The Congressional Approval Rating is down to 13% now, nearly 90% of Americans DO NOT LIKE THIS GOVERNMENT

                That includes the Tea Party and Republicans too, don't ya know?

                When this STUPID government tried to keep unemployment below 8%, it promptly shot up over 10% thanks to their utter incompetence.

                According to non partisan studies without the stimulus unemployment would have been much higher. Just so happens Bush messed up the country more than anyone imagined and the stimulus should have been bigger.

                When this STUPID government tried to save the car companies, they KILLED the brands of Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer and Mercury.

                No they didn't. Floundering companies trying to restructure to save themselves did.

                After pumping BILLIONS into General Motors and Chrysler, both companies wound up bankrupt ANYWAY!

                Both companies are still in existence and supplying jobs. You try telling the people who work there and their families that their jobs weren't worth trying to save. I would rather spend billions trying to save peoples livelihoods than giving billions away to corporations and rich people.

                When this LOUSY government tried to fix the 45 Million Americans without health insurance in 2009, they wound up with 52 Million Americans without health insurance in 2011

                Yeah and the recession Bush caused that resulted in millions losing their jobs (where most get their health insurance from) has nothing to do with that. And the AHCA doesn't kick into full swing until 2014.

                So why would ANYONE want this ABOMINABLE INCOMPETENCE to govern us any further than they already have?

                Some facts would be nice =)

                • 7 votes
                #5.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
                MeanGene-3334839

                LanaD, the incompetence of the Obama administration is legendary. Obama doesn't even have a budget, that's why the debt ceiling talks went into the 11th Hour due to Obama not taking care of his business. Obama knew the debt ceiling was an issue the day he was sworn into office and still it took him 20 months to get around to the problem, which he knew would risk a government shut down.

                The Stimulus was an epic failure, as it did make unemployment higher. Take for example the stimulus target city of Detroit. $60.3 Billion dollars in taxpayer money was wasted on the Detroit bailouts between Chrysler and GM, and what happened? WHAT HAPPENED?? Detroit lost 334,000 jobs anyway, and while unemployment in the nation overall peaked at 11%, unemployment in Detroit hit over 50%. The areas Obama "helped" did FIVE TIMES WORSE than the areas Obama left alone. Obama, as usual, screws up everything he gets his meathooks into.

                Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a rank amateur when it comes to screwing thing up.

                • 1 vote
                #5.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
                LanaD

                Obama doesn't even have a budget, that's why the debt ceiling talks went into the 11th Hour due to Obama not taking care of his business.

                That's not why and you know damn well why. Because the democrats were wanting to tackle revenue and take away the tax cuts for the rich and corporations, that's why. It's not the presidents job to do a budget even though he has submitted one every year of his presidency. The republicans have blocked the budgets over and over again like they do everything else.

                Obama knew the debt ceiling was an issue the day he was sworn into office and still it took him 20 months to get around to the problem, which he knew would risk a government shut down.

                I'm sure he didn't expect the republicans to be irresponsible and childish enough to play chicken with paying out PAST debts, considering how immensely important it is to be raised and the number of times it has been raised. Kamikaze, hostage taking Republicans not expected.

                The Stimulus was an epic failure, as it did make unemployment higher

                No it didn't, stop repeating that tired old lie. Non partisan studies have proven it did keep unemployment from being much higher. You do know if you keep repeating a lie over and over it won't make it true, right?

                As for the auto bailout I already addressed this in my last post. We didn't waste money by any means. Trying to save Americans jobs was worth the risk and both companies are still in business supplying jobs. Would you rather them have failed completely and finish off the rest of the jobs? Official unemployment in Detroit never peaked over 22%, but imagine what it would be if Republicans got their way and just sat back and let Detroit fall.

                Oh and Chrysler and GM have paid back some of their loans, we aren't going to lose the whole $60B

                He only tried to help the areas in the worst shape so of course the areas he didn't help would be doing better. Common sense

                • 1 vote
                #5.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:57 PM EDT
                MeanGene-3334839

                That's not why and you know damn well why. Because the democrats were wanting to tackle revenue and take away the tax cuts for the rich and corporations, that's why. It's not the presidents job to do a budget even though he has submitted one every year of his presidency. The republicans have blocked the budgets over and over again like they do everything else.

                The President's job is to be the de facto leader of the party. He's the current leader of the Democrat Party (woe be unto them) so he's got the bully pulpit. The Democrats are schizo. In 2009 they couldn't throw money at the rich corporations fast enough, and in 2010 they want to tax the crap out of them. FLIPPITY FLOP! FLIPPITY FLOP!

                I'd have let the dumbasses fall on their swords and said to Hell with the bailouts. I don't give a damned if a company fails, especially companies polluted by Unions.

                I'm sure he didn't expect the republicans to be irresponsible and childish enough to play chicken with paying out PAST debts, considering how immensely important it is to be raised and the number of times it has been raised. Kamikaze, hostage taking Republicans not expected.

                There's an endpoint to debt and it's been reached. Today 20¢ of every tax dollar is spent before the government even gets it because of interest on a very massive debt.

                Let me put that in perspective for you. The average American income is just about $28,000 per year. Now, imagine if you will that average American is so deep in debt that he's paying $6,000 per year in interest on his credit cards. You'd call that guy in deep guacamole, wouldn't you? How's he going to get back out of the hole he's dug himself into? He can't! He has no money to pay down the principle and still have enough to live on. That's where the USA is today.

                At some point, you've got to stop maxxing out the credit cards!

                No it didn't, stop repeating that tired old lie. Non partisan studies have proven it did keep unemployment from being much higher. You do know if you keep repeating a lie over and over it won't make it true, right?

                Non partisan studies mean nothing. Every study is partisan, because the people who pay for the study are partisan. Every study under the Obama administration is going to be authorized by Democrats, paid for by Democrats, and favor Democrats because Democrats hold the checkbook.

                Unemployment could not possibly be higher at Saturn, Hummer, Pontiac and Mercury. The plants shut down. Unemployment is 100% at those plants. Anybody with eyes to see can tell that the stimulus was a complete and total failure.

                Would you rather them have failed completely and finish off the rest of the jobs? Official unemployment in Detroit never peaked over 22%, but imagine what it would be if Republicans got their way and just sat back and let Detroit fall.

                Yes, I actually would. The destruction of the United Auto Workers Union would have been something I'd celebrate as a rebirth of American competitiveness in the marketplace. If it takes a company down with it in order to destroy a damned Union, then so be it. I hate Unions and everything they stand for. We need to get rid of those fascists.

                Do you know what the difference between the Nazi Party and a Labor Union is? No? Neither did the Nazis. They WERE a Labor Union.

                Oh and Chrysler and GM have paid back some of their loans, we aren't going to lose the whole $60B

                That doesn't matter. The Federal Government is not authorized to gamble with the people's money.

                • 1 vote
                #5.10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:43 PM EDT
                LanaD

                The Democrats are schizo. In 2009 they couldn't throw money at the rich corporations fast enough, and in 2010 they want to tax the crap out of them. FLIPPITY FLOP! FLIPPITY FLOP!

                Total lie. They just tried to help certain companies that were ready to collapse. Democrats have always been in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

                I don't give a damned if a company fails, especially companies polluted by Unions.

                Nice class warfare you got going on there. Unions are made of working middle class American citizens who have families to support and I have no problem with trying to save their jobs.

                The debt ceiling is an obligation on our PAST debt so it made no sense to play chicken with it. Look where it got us. Thanks a lot Republicans and Tea Party.

                Non partisan studies mean nothing.

                If NONPARTISAN facts don't matter then what does? Whatever crazy blind hatred of the President you have in your mind that dictates everything he does fails with no studies or anything to back it up?

                The plants shut down. Unemployment is 100% at those plants.

                Just like you wanted! At least they were able to restructure and save jobs at the GM and Chrysler plants. It was worth it.

                Anybody with eyes to see can tell that the stimulus was a complete and total failure.

                Yeah try and tell that to those who are still employed by Chrysler and GM and their families too while you're at it. Oh yeah I forgot you don't care about those Americans because they are in a union. Well I DO care and I will continue to fight for their livelihood.

                The destruction of the United Auto Workers Union would have been something I'd celebrate as a rebirth of American competitiveness in the marketplace.

                The destruction of the United Auto Workers would be something to celebrate if you want to drag the middle class down even farther and increase the gap between them and the rich. As union membership has declined the income inequality has grown right along side it. Almost scary

                Got to compete with China! Get to work, $8 an hour, no benefits (or crap ones), no vacations, no sick days, no retirement. If a boss has a problem with you, you're out the door and they will just find some other desperate shumck to work for peanuts in a factory.

                I hate Unions and everything they stand for.

                Got to hate workers rights and all the benefits you received thanks to the unions, right? Well, I hate corporations treating their works like disposable slaves.

                Do you know what the difference between the Nazi Party and a Labor Union is?

                WTF kind of ridiculous rhetoric is this? Maybe you should look up the definition of the Nazi Party and fascist. Hey did you know the Nazi's also wore uniforms? OMG all the US soldiers are fascist Nazi's too!! I would stop with the lame comparisons to Nazi's if you are ever to be taken serious

                  #5.11 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 9:34 AM EDT
                  lamplighter

                  They stopped the "Public Option", which was the most decent thing in the Health Care Law and let the "Public Mandate" go through, even though it was the worst part of the same law;

                  That's crock. The fiscal and politcal realities were that public mandate was the best they could get.

                  They were willing to end unemployment insurance for millions of Americans lapse if they didn't continue tax cuts for a few,

                  Unemployment insurancehas been extended to 99 weeks in some states. The President himeself argued this past January that continuing the Bush tax cuts was necessary for the economy to recover.

                  They were willing to let the government default because they couldn't stop the debt in the way that they wanted,

                  It didn't happen and the cuts announced were meaningless gestures extending out 10 years. No future congress is obligated to follow through with these cuts.

                  and they are now willing to stop the tax break for the working class by raising their Social Security Taxes.

                  Social Security taxes were "temporarily cut" this year by 2%. Since current beneficiaries are paid from collected FICA taxes it can't go on forever with baby boomers retiring at 100,000+ daily. Anyway...I thought you people are against tax cuts...

                  Hell, they (as in, Cantor) are even willing to stop relief for victims of Irene if they don't get to cut programs that they don't like.

                  The funding will be approved.

                    #5.12 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 8:54 PM EDT
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                    Richard-3862103

                    No one understands better than the President the historic implications of his 2008 victory, because it was no fluke, and don’t the republicans know it? The 2008 Obama Coalition has already made history in ways difficult to quantify presently. As the Obama voters wait in anticipation for the 2012 election, they are expectant for the news: how many of Obama’s 2008 white voters, awaking on election day, are determined to negate their 2008 votes? Exactly, how many of his white 2008 voters are bugging out for the Tea Party? In the 2008 election, one-in-four votes were from non-white voters. With US voter demographics shifting away from white voters, this may be the last US election a unified white vote has the clout to overturn a sitting president’s reelection bid.

                    How important is the white vote to President Obama's reelection? In 2008, the final popular vote was 52% for Barack Obama and 45% for John McCain (www.uselectionatlas.org). President Obama put together the most diverse coalition of voters in presidential history. President Obama received the majority of the vote from three of the top four demographic groups: blacks (95%), hispanics (67%), asians (62%), and whites (43%) (pewresearch.org).

                    Approximately 9 million votes separated President Obama from John McCain, so for the Tea Party to defeat President Obama, it must win all of McCain's votes plus another 9 million votes. The votes for the Tea Party will have to come from Obama's 2008 voters because the Republican Party has shrunk 5%, among those who identify themselves as “Republicans,” since 2001-2009 (www.gallup.com). More precisely, the additional Tea Party votes will have to come primarily from Obama’s white voters, because the entire hispanic vote in 2008 was only 9.7 million votes.

                    In the 2008 election, 131 million votes were cast, and 100 million of those votes (76%) were white voters. Each 1% of the white vote is approximately 1 million votes, so the Tea Party needs to shave nine percentage points off the President's share of the white vote to close the 2012 deal (one-in-five of his white voters).

                    In 2008, John McCain won 55% of the white vote, so an additional 9% added to his share is 64%. The Tea Party needs nearly two-thirds of the white vote to win, in 2012. This means that the President's 2008 white vote (43%) would have to shrink to 36%, in the 2012 election. How likely is it the President's white vote will drop below 40%?

                    In recent presidential history, 40% of the white vote has been a baseline for both parties’ candidates. In 2004, John Kerry lost to President George W. Bush, with 47% of the white vote. In 2000, Al Gore lost to Gov. George W. Bush, in a classic nail-biter with 42% of the white vote. In 1996, President Clinton won reelection with 44% of the white vote, and his opponent Sen. Bob Dole had 46% of the white vote.

                    The 1992 election was an anomaly, a three-way presidential race, with third party candidate, Ross Perot, winning 18% of the popular vote. In that election, then President, George H. W. Bush, lost his reelection to Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, with 41% of the white vote. Coincidentally, the economy was the defining issue in that campaign. Ironically, Clinton won the election with only 39% of the white vote (www.ropercenter.uconn.edu). Historically, the 40% white voter threshold is a resilient one; it is a baseline that both political parties feel at their backs.

                    It appears that the Tea Party needs nearly two out of every three white voters (62%-66%), to put the President’s reelection at risk. In the coming year, while tracking the President’s favorability rating, watch his polling among likely white voters. The 40% threshold is a baseline; falling below it, the President is feeling reelection heat, but he is not in the danger zone. When the President’s favorability rating, with white voters, hovers around 35% then the President is at risk of losing the 2012 election. If history is a guide, winning a presidential election with less than 40% of the white vote is historic, as it was for Bill Clinton did in 1992, but that was a three-way race.

                    • 9 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Sep 3, 2011 11:58 PM EDT
                    addMoreJuice.comDeleted
                    Richard-3862103

                    AMJ: I blogged in your last seed on the Tea Party; I like your passion, determination, and conviction. The presidential contest has shifted into a new gear, post-August 2. It was then I heard the Tea Party message loud and clear: this election is not about a black President; rather, this election is about the white voters for the black President.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:18 AM EDT
                    Tink-2285193

                    Richard #6 - While this is really great information, what does it have to do with why Americans should stand up to the GOPTeaBags to save our country, instead of putting the blame on the President for the people he has to deal with in the House and Congress and thinking it is his job to hold them accountable? I would very much like to hear your thoughts on this issue.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:36 AM EDT
                    Richard-3862103

                    Thanks for keeping me up. I promised my wife I would not do this all night, so I am putting my marriage at risk for you. NLOL (not laughing out loud). Why should I vote against the GOP candidate? Not an issue, there is no GOP candidate. The GOP has surrendered itself to the Tea Party because the GOP, as the GOP, can not win this election because it is a centrist party (Huntsman, as an example). The two parties are not that far apart except on the "social" politics and the ideologies of their bases. "Social" politics is what the Reagan/Bush/Tea Party does better than any politically motivated group in the history of US politics. IMO

                    Why should I vote against the Tea Party? I can give you a time, a place, and a name: August 2, 2011, House of Representatives, Eric Cantor. The debt ceiling debate was the cry of the Sirens, from the darkness, in the dead of the night: the Tea Party will burn the village to save it. They did not get away with it this time. I seriously doubt they will try it again. They do not like what came back out of the fan.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:00 AM EDT
                    Tink-2285193

                    Richard - 6.4 - Thank you for your additional time, and my apologies to your wife for usurping your attention. :-)

                    I agree with what you said. I truly believe the GOP handling of the debt ceiling was the telling nail in their political coffin. And they have no one but themselves to blame. And it should send a signal loud and clear to all Americans, and the world, as to where their loyalties are.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 3:28 AM EDT
                    Richard-3862103

                    Two words to remind anyone why you should vote against the TP: Eric Cantor. Keep up the good work, Tink. You have the spirit to see this thing through to the end--good luck!

                      #6.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:51 PM EDT
                      Tink-2285193

                      Thanks, Richard.

                        #6.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:24 PM EDT
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                        tax211hurts

                        Tink,

                        You seem angry.

                        You need to chill.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:10 AM EDT
                        Tink-2285193

                        I am angry, Tax211hurts. I am angry that all people do is point the finger of blame at the President and expect him to do miracles. It make no difference who is in the WH or what party they belong to, they can only do so much by law. My comments were not aimed at just the GOPTeaBags, but, at all those who do nothing but whine and fume about what Obama isn't doing to the GOP to stop them from destroying our country. Yet, they themselves are doing little or nothing to help resolve the problem, and they carry a whole lot more weight collectively than the President does when it comes to putting the fear of losing their cushy, easy money jobs into elected officials.

                        So yes....I am angry. And chilling out is not going to change my thoughts, or my anger.

                        • 6 votes
                        #7.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:37 AM EDT
                        Richard-3862103

                        doing little or nothing

                        But isn't doing nothing doing something?

                        • 1 vote
                        #7.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT
                        Tink-2285193

                        Richard...."But isn't doing nothing doing something?"

                        No.

                        • 3 votes
                        #7.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:44 AM EDT
                        Richard-3862103

                        elaborate? I have insomnia. Would you do it for an insomniac?

                        • 1 vote
                        #7.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:48 AM EDT
                        cajun-snake

                        If memory serves me right, and it probably doesn't, didn't the GOP make the statement when Obama was elected...they would do whatever it took to make him a one term president (or something to that effect)?

                        It seems from the start Obama has had a up hill fight, and the GOP/TP have made it their mission in life to block him, ridicule him, and have done this knowing that the American people are the ones paying for it. Obama isn't the best president, certainly not the worse. He just had two things going against him that the GOP/TP would never get over...African American and Democrat.

                        Bush and the GOP tanked this country for eight years, and IMO, since they couldn't continue it one way they have gone another route. With elections coming up maybe this is what people should remember. The GOP would rather see you poor, homeless and destitute then anger the ultra rich and Corporate America. Just something to think about.

                        • 9 votes
                        #7.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM EDT
                        Tink-2285193

                        "Would you do it for an insomniac"

                        I am an insomniac myself, so I 'feel your pain' so to speak. :-)

                        But, from your posts here and other threads on the Vine, it seems that you are a very learned person so I really don't know what the need is for me to elaborate on my answer. IN the context of this article and topic, doing nothing is not doing something.

                        • 3 votes
                        #7.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:43 AM EDT
                        sistagirl

                        Tink.....you are so right in your article and expressed my thoughts exactly. I too am angry that more of our elected congressional democrats are not speaking out and putting all of the fight on to our President. Luckily we do have Al Sharpton on MSNBC that is speaking out in support and saying just that about our shy democratic congress members. There is only a few that are vocal and it the same too few that will speak out loudly and forcefully. Tax21 talks about angry...did we not hear and see that anger from the teapartiers in their marches and as they tore up the dems townhalls as instructed? Now that the tide has turned against them, the repubs are not having townhalls as you stated. Do not their constituents who voted them in see this as a problem and should be asking why? What are they afraid of....questions maybe? Yea, the American people are getting more informed and want answers now instead of allowing their reps to just talk at them. The people are asking questions and will not accept the talking points bs of the past. The people know from the previous administration of republican controlled congress that tax cuts and trickle down did not work, especially in job creation. We also see what these teapartiers newly elected have done and we are indeed mad as hell!!!How can people govern if they refuse to listen to reason, listen to experts or even accept compromise between the two parties. I fought the veteran republicans cause they carried that no-compromise banner; hell, they could not say the damn word compromise. They are the ones that taught the teapartiers how to filibuster bills. They are teaching them how not to govern by dirty tricks of stalling meetings, holding up appointees and blocking votes. They even taught them how not to work with their exhausting schedule of two weeks work and one week off, wow, must be nice! Yep, the teapartiers learned well from watching the old heads and hearing Mitch McConnell famous goal of "Obama will be a one-termer". They heard senator Demitt of "let this be his waterloo" in regarding to HCR debate. Remember you teapartiers out there you voted these people in that were responsible for our credit rating drop; and I don't care how the RNC and any other republican corporate affiliations try to spin it differently. They are the ones that wanted this debt increase fight and took it to the brink; a fight which has never happened until Obama became POTUS. We hold the teaparty congress members responsible as the polling shows along with still holding Bush responsible for our phucked up economy. The only false expectation I have is that the teapartiers constituents will actually have a come to Jezuz moment to realize their mistake and not do that sh!t again. But I do have the great expectations that the democrats, independents and thoughtful, thinking republicans will vote accordingly with our President in his re-election. The other choice will not be a good one as we are seeing already in their campaigns. I do also hope that we can rid the congress of all obstructionist repubs and their leaders. I don't know if there are logical, moderate republicans to replace them or if their constituents will allow moderates back in their party. It's too bad, but we have to get this governing thing right!

                        • 7 votes
                        #7.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:52 AM EDT
                        Richard-3862103

                        Tink 7.6: We have narrowed it down to "is doing nothing doing something," right? All I am saying is that "not choosing is a choice": there are no unmotivated choices that I can think of: a choice not based founded on reasons--rational, irrational, non-rational motivations or reasons. I agree that "doing something" is a higher calling, but "choosing to do nothing" may not always be a bad thing, right?

                        Perhaps, some voters are still confused by the political tension, the economic insecurity, and the fear of what happens next. They see that the Tea Party is outraged with the President, but they also see the President's supporters are not fleeing him. Another example, corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars: what do they have to fear? If they are tense, then imagine what an undecided voter is feeling? Right now, I really respect the indecision of the undecided voter, who really wants to get this election choice right. I want to reach out to them because for me the choice for 2012 is crystal.

                          #7.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:42 AM EDT
                          Tink-2285193

                          Sistagirl - thanks for your added input on the issue. At the least, those who are against what they are doing can send them an email and let them know that they are not doing the job they were elected to do. Not that such would likely do any good, but, at least they would be doing something on their own behalf and not just expecting the President to fight their battle for them.

                          I doubt that even half the new House GOPTeaBags even know what their job is, all they know is what they are told by Cantor, Boehner, McConnell and Norquist. They have pledged their allegiance to the Devil for their own gain, and will have to pay the price when the Devil calls in his markers.

                          And you are right about the old heads, Sistagirl. They are the ones who sold out their party to the Tea Bags in the first place, and then many found themselves kicked to the curb by the same Tea Bags in favor of those who were stupid and would be easier to control and manipulate.

                          But, it is time for those who are crying and whining the loudest about the GOPTeaBags not doing their jobs to step up and tell the Reps themselves that they are on the wrong side of America and its people, and they best start doing what is best for America and its people and not their big donors and others they have pledged their allegiance to over America and its people or they are going to be out of a job real fast. Norquist and the Koch Brothers hate the light, just like all roaches, so shining light on the Reps will also shine the light on their association with them too.

                          • 2 votes
                          #7.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:10 AM EDT
                          Tink-2285193

                          Richard-3862103 - 7.7 - OK...we can agree on the terminology. And to some degree I will agree with your theory about confused voters, but, I will say this, many voters are confused about the election and voting process to begin with, and not just because of one particular elections. And, that is some ways can be part of the problem in deciding on candidate. Many tend to listen to others and vote along with their choice as they are not sure enough of their own choice. Others simply vote party line no matter who is tossed out as a candidate or how qualified they may be for the job, or what their real allegiance is; donors, big oil, special interest groups, their own wallets, or.. their country and fellow Americans. Few voters want to be held up for criticism for voting for someone who may prove to be someone who is not willing to do their job, or refuse to do what is best for America or its people. So, they simply go with the majority of their friends and family, and that way the avoid the finger pointing if things do work out as everyone thinks they should.

                          And...if no one ever did anything....where would our country be right now? If everyone just sat back and left it to everyone else to do everything, where would our country be right now? Take a good look at the many 3rd-world countries or places like Libya and Syria and you might get an idea. While there will always be those who will let fear lead their lives, those who fear the loss of freedom more than finger pointers will not sit by and let our country fall, or fail.

                          But, in many cases, it only takes one to stand and say, "Enough!" to give others the courage and strength to stand up and be counted as well.

                          • 2 votes
                          #7.10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:07 AM EDT
                          Brite

                          Cajun snake:

                          "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

                          -- Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), in an interview with the National Journal, describing his goal in retaking the Senate.

                          October 25, 2010

                          • 1 vote
                          #7.11 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
                          Tink-2285193

                          cajun-snake - 7.5 - Indeed, McConnell did make that statement, and what he was careful not to say was, "at any cost." And that has been the mandate and mantra of the GOPTeaBags since day one. And they have done, and continue to do, everything they can to destroy Obama. That their actions include destroying America and its people, in the words of John Boehner, "So be it!" They are trying to intimidate the American people not to vote for Obama in order to prevent what they are doing now, but, it is backfiring on them big time.

                            #7.12 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:45 PM EDT
                            cajun-snake

                            Brite: Thanks for the info

                            Tink: I agree, all of this is going to come back and bite them on election day. But now will it help to get Obama reelected? I don't know. The only good I can see coming out of this, is that if a whole new batch of GOP reps are elected, that they are smart enough NOT to do the same things. Will that happen? Again I don't know.

                              #7.13 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 6:15 PM EDT
                              Tink-2285193

                              cajun..."The only good I can see coming out of this, is that if a whole new batch of GOP reps are elected, that they are smart enough NOT to do the same things. Will that happen? Again I don't know"

                              I don't know either. But, I do know that if we don't show them that we, we the American people, collectively, as one, will no longer tolerate what they are doing, nor will it be accepted in the future, then we have no one but ourselves if we get a repeat of the same low level of candidates and actions if they are elected.

                              They are totally willing to destroy America, the American people, and the rest of the world, because of their fiendish obsession to destroy one human being.....because of the color of his skin.

                              We, the people, American voters, do have the power to save and right our country, to make a difference in how our country is run and the quality of life we, the people, the American people, are entitled to enjoy. We, the people, do have that power, and that power is a lot more powerful than anyone the GOPTeaBags have pledged their allegiance to over America and its people. We, the people, just need to understand that, to remember that, and to use the power of our votes to keep America the country that we, the people, and our fore-bearers, have fought and sacrificed for 400+ years to make it. We, the people, did it before, and we can do it again.

                              Am I being unfair against the GOPTeaBags? Then I ask you....when did the Dem's use the American people as hostages to try and pass legislation that would harm America and its people? When did the Dem's hold America and the world hostage to get their way and threaten the integrity and economic stability of our country as the GOPTeaBags just did in the debt ceiling shoot out if their ransom demand was not met? When did the Dem's take away the bargaining and other rights of American workers? When did the Dem's try to control and/or restrict the voting rights of the American people?

                              If our grandparents and great-grandparents could rise together and survive the Great Depression and two world wars and make America even stronger and better, then we, the people, today can do the same if we don't allow the GOPTeaBags and their masters to defeat us by using the extreme religious and psychological warfare they are now, and using the American people as hostages to get their way to destroy our own country.

                              • 1 vote
                              #7.14 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:09 PM EDT
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                              bob-1478320

                              come on people, Obama keeps telling you what to say when his incompetence and lack of leadership is attacked. Just look em in the eye and say" the buck stops anywhere but here"

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:13 AM EDT
                              newwtricks

                              Hey Tink,

                              I want you to try to read your post, but switch the word Obama with the word Bush. You might start to understand both sides of the aisle if you can appreciate that holding Obama responsible for every problem that America faces is nothing new. Remember, whatever Obama goes thru, other presidents have already endured that process.

                              If you truly feel that Obama gets unfair treatment, go back into the archives and find articles written about Bush and compare them to articles written about Obama. You will find out two things.

                              1. Liberal leaning media outlets will give Obama a more favorable response.

                              2. Liberal leaning media outlets will give Bush very little latitude on just about every issue.

                              • 2 votes
                              #8.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:17 AM EDT
                              sistagirl

                              newtricks....and did the democrat leadership openly say that his number one goal was to make Bush a one-termer? Did the democrats do their dirty trick of filibustering everything? It is congress that needs to write the bills, but if the republican leadership has his goal of keeping this economy in the sh!t in order to make Obama a one-termer, than you tell me why should Obama be blamed? There are solutions out there but who is in controlls the house right now...it's the scaredy cat republicans, the teapartiers and wonderful speaker Boehner. We're screwed!!!

                              • 8 votes
                              #8.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:21 AM EDT
                              MYOB-1251250

                              1. Liberal leaning media outlets will give Obama a more favorable response.

                              2. Liberal leaning media outlets will give Bush very little latitude on just about every issue.

                              Fux news is liberal leaning?

                                #8.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
                                Little Sure Shot

                                but switch the word Obama with the word Bush

                                Wow, it took 8 whole posts to bring Bush into a discussion that has nothing to do with him.

                                  #8.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT
                                  Richard-3862103

                                  Everything and nothing, depending on your point of view. Honestly, if I were you, I would change the subject too.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #8.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:59 PM EDT
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                                  Eoin-899252

                                  Here is one point that I think need repeating, no matter what party, belief, ect ect you belong to.

                                  You have a phone.....use it. You have a computer...use it. You have the US mail...use it. You have a voice...use it. And, you have the media...use it. Let the GOPTeaBags in DC know who America belongs to and who controls it. It belongs to the American people. Not to their party, not Norquist, not the Koch Brothers, not Wall Street, not Big Oil, not the Corporate Mafia, not the Dominionists, and not the Tea Party.

                                  Well here you go.

                                  It's important that the Congressman or staff member know that you are a constituent. All correspondence should contain your physical mailing address. Begin your letters with Dear Representative -LastName- or Dear Senator -LastName-.

                                  Avoid boilerplate text. Communication has more impact if the words are yours, not those of some public affairs person assigned to generate a grassroots campaign. Use the prepared text as a guide only.

                                  Be courteous, be brief (get to the point!), be specific.

                                  House of Representatives
                                  For details about your Representative -- including mailing address for the district and capitol offices -- use CongressMerge.com or Congress.org website services.

                                  You can find the phone and office number of your US Representative on the House website: list by state; alphabetical list. The House of Representatives also provides web-based "form

                                  Nice post

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:22 AM EDT
                                  Richard-3862103

                                  Or--you can spend all your precious time griping about the Tea Party on Newsvine.com. Seriously, which of the two options really has the greater feeling of personal reward? Actually, I like my congressman. Eoin, you are right; I need to let him know how I really feel about the TP.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #9.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:30 AM EDT
                                  Tink-2285193

                                  Richard-3862103 - "which of the two options really has the greater feeling of personal reward?"

                                  The many letters, emails and phone calls that I have made to the various Reps, even those who are not my Reps, of both parties. I'm not a hypocrite, I don't make comments about things others to do that I am not willing to, or have done, myself.

                                  What have you done?

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #9.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:43 AM EDT
                                  Richard-3862103

                                  I am doing it right now.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:50 AM EDT
                                  Tink-2285193

                                  Richard - "I am doing it right now."

                                  My sleeping pill has not kicked in yet, so could you elaborate on your answer just a tidge?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:48 AM EDT
                                  Richard-3862103

                                  The answer to why vote against the TP--6.4?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:15 AM EDT
                                  Tink-2285193

                                  Ok....I'll buy it. Thanks.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:12 AM EDT
                                  Vehement+1

                                  @ Eoin, regarding your comment post #9, suggesting using the media , Horse@!$%# !

                                  All I've seen is VETERANS being arrested for protesting the WAR,

                                  Actresses and other popular figures being taken away in handcuffs protesting Environmental issues,

                                  BUT, we have TEA BAGGERS doing the same thing stuffing their faces with HOT DOGS and DRINKING BEER outside the gates of the White House taunting Obama with GAY RIGHT issues and other non-important issues that hasn't contributed much to getting America back on it's feet !

                                  The MEDIA is a JOKE being paid by the same @!$%#s in office !

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #9.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
                                  Eoin-899252

                                  you give up way to early Vehement+1. If you First don't succeed try , try again. Be a thorn in there side, Be Heard. In this occasion No doesn't mean NO!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #9.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT
                                  Vehement+1

                                  @Eoin, who says anything about giving up .

                                  INHO, Protesting doesnt do a damn bit of good,never had and never will !

                                  Want to hurt those in power ? Want to get their attention ? Do you really want them to hear you out ?

                                  I know in a million years it wont happen and to even risk saying this, People wont Sacrifice nothing!

                                  The only way to FORCE change is to STOP WORKING ALL TOGETHER !

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:13 PM EDT
                                  Eoin-899252

                                  Sorry Bud I just see it differently, I just hope One of Us is Right.

                                    #9.10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:18 PM EDT
                                    Tink-2285193

                                    "INHO, Protesting doesnt do a damn bit of good,never had and never will !"

                                    Ya wanna tell that to the people in Wisconsin?

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #9.11 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:23 PM EDT
                                    Vehement+1

                                    Pardon me, but am not here to argue my case and I am sorry that it has lead to that, like yourself, Eoin, we see things differently.
                                    Tink, I can't disagree with what you stated regarding Wisconsin, I would be a fool if I did.

                                    If you take a good hard look at what I posted #9.9, is it not clear that's what's happening now !

                                    Regardless of whether it's Forced or Voluntarlly, citizens are becoming unemployed , the more people that are jobless,the more they become a burden and that means the people will be driven to unusual extremes.

                                    Everyday that this goes unchecked, the more the people will be forced to take matters into their own hands, this in turn will cause these people to make the wrong sacrifices and the country will be in ruines .

                                      #9.12 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 2:13 AM EDT
                                      Tink-2285193

                                      Vehement+1 - I understand your POV and your concerns. There is a fine line as to how far people will be pushed, and when it comes down to bare survival as in the 3rd war countries right here in America because one political party is determined to destroy our President and making everyone in America suffer in the process, there is bound to be a rebellion. And I know that they what the GOPTeaBags are hoping for, as it will only add to their political blame-gamesmanship and then holler that "It's all Obama's fault." When in fact it was part of their deliberate plot to sabotage the entire American governing system across the board.

                                      But, violence does not work, it works against the kind of positive results people are looking for. Peaceful rebellion in connection to make the laws available work for you is also the best direction for rebellion. Not all sates have recall elections, but, many do have referendums and other means to hold their elected officials accountable. If not, then it those needs to go on the ballot for overall voting. Get the right for recall elections on the books. Just the thought of that alone puckers the rosy anal areas of elected officials. And never let them think you would not use it. Their bait and switch through the election period and then thumbing their nose at the voters the minute they are declared winners is a clear signal that they need to be put on notice and ready to be curbed by the people who put them in office if they show and unsatisfactory performance. Even the big bullies in WI looked as it they would pee their 500.00 suit pants when the recall elections were actually filed against them with far more than signatures than required. That part alone, knowing that they were indeed that vulnerable, and could indeed lose their cushy jobs and be kicked out of office in disgrace staring them in the face, scared the scheiss out of them. Walker saw they weren't bluffing, and they the fact that they could gain far more signatures than needed to file the recall election against him also also scared him to the point that he suddenly wanted to start 'talking' to the other side about the bargaining rights. At this point, no one trusts anything he or his GOP thugs say, his time to talk and discuss has come and gone, and he will now reap what he has so gleefully sown at the expense of the state of WI and its people since January 2011.

                                      And, it seems Kasich of Ohio got a bit of a wakeup call that jolted his shorts when the last two WI Dem's won their recall elections, as he immediately made an urgent speech the next morning about being willing to 'weaken' the law he had signed recently if the other side would drop the referendum to repeal the law from the ballot. The other side declined to take the bait. He offers a minnow but demands a Great White shark in return. They refuse to trust his lies.

                                      So, good things can get done through legal and peaceful efforts. Violence never solves anything.

                                        #9.13 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 3:10 AM EDT
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                                        Gulliver's Island

                                        It was the GOP's fault Obama caved on smog regulations yesterday?

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#10 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:30 AM EDT
                                        Richard-3862103

                                        I agree with you. The President plays too much politics with the TP.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #10.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:32 AM EDT
                                        Gulliver's Island

                                        I think what Obama is really eying isn't the Tea Party; it's the big money and the corporate leadership (which is basically the same thing). The Tea Party, sorry to say this, is nothing more than a bunch of useful idiots.

                                        Obama cynically figures that whoever can run the most TV ads will win in 2012. The person who gets the most corporate money will be able to run the most ads. He and the rest of the Democrats are willing to let the air out of party's legacy just to get through the next election cycle and line up their private sector jobs for after they leave office.

                                        There isn't an obvious way to avoid this terrible future, but believing in a two faced, pathologically lying, narcissistic president won't help. The best thing that happened in America over the last decade was when the public turned on George W. Bush. For America to buy itself even some more time, it will have to turn on Obama too. That doesn't necessarily mean voting for a Republican, but it does mean finding a way to slow down Obama's endless succession of "capitulations."

                                        It's time to send Obama off to the rubber room where he can't do any more damage other than waste our time.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #10.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:52 AM EDT
                                        newwtricks

                                        It was the GOP's fault that Obama caved in on EPA regulations. OK. So can we have an accounting of all of Obamas accomplishments that were of his own doing, and those that he was forced to do by his nemesis, the big bad GOP?

                                        You guys are too funny.

                                        But, I can see where you would need to justify Obama's behaviour in this manner. After all, he was your answer to perfection. A president who told everyone whatever they wanted to hear. A president who ran on the premise that he knew that once Bush was gone, and he was in, everything would be just fine. Now, here we are, 3 years in, and things are worse. What can be said of that? There must be someone other than Obama to blame. Enter the GOP.

                                        All of you really need to take some reality pills and come to grips with the cold, hard facts. Obama has not fixed anything. Obama has tried to steer the country in a direction they didn't want to go. Obama will be out of office by Jan, 2013.

                                        His lies caught up to him. He no longer represents the majority of Americans.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #10.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:24 AM EDT
                                        psychodd1

                                        AMEN.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #10.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:49 AM EDT
                                        Tink-2285193

                                        newwtricks - "He no longer represents the majority of Americans."

                                        Can you post a link to some form of proof of that statement? Or is it merely your own opinion. Because, I do believe that he still represents a very large number of Americans, and growing. While there are those who may not agree with all his policies, his manner, his willingness to compromise, but, they will still vote for him for President because he does care about America and its people.

                                        Also, many of the things he did do that he didn't promise to do get overlooked, and many of the things that he did do that he promised are ignored. Many of the things he promised but could not do are the fault of the GOPTeaBags who would sooner destroy America and its people than see him get any credit for anything good that he has done. Their hatred of him is far greater than their concern for their country or its people.

                                        The GOP/TeaParty are their own worst enemy and will be their own downfall in the end.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #10.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 2:00 AM EDT
                                        Gulliver's Island

                                        Yes, please re-elect Obama so we can have a Democrat destroy Social Security and Medicare while eliminating middle class tax deductions and lowering tax rates on the wealthy. I always feel so much better when I am getting screwed over by Democrats than when Republicans are doing it.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #10.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:13 AM EDT
                                        MeanGene-3334839

                                        A majority of Americans never voted for Obama. He was elected by a plurality, not a majority.

                                        Roughly 63 Million Americans voted for Obama, and there are a total of about 310 Million Americans. That means 247 Million Americans can honestly say they never voted for this clown. Basically, 4 out of 5 Americans DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.

                                        Obama's popularity is greatly overrated. I know I never voted for Obama. Actually, I've never voted for any Democrat and I never will. I'd sooner gnaw off my own right arm than use it to vote for a Democrat.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #10.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:43 AM EDT
                                        It Aint So

                                        Can you post a link to some form of proof of that statement? Or is it merely your own opinion. Because, I do believe that he still represents a very large number of Americans, and growing.

                                        I dont know why you want to be so critical, as this article is nothing more than YOUR opinions, or is it now that only Dems and Liberals have the right to voice an opinion?

                                        Because, I do believe that he still represents a very large number of Americans, and growing

                                        Hmm, dont look now, but the Tea Party that you hate so much has a better approval rating than YOUR president.

                                        Obama has a 52% disapproval rating.

                                        But I understand your frustration. This clown turned out to be the biggest fraud since Jimmy Carter, and you're having trouble dealing with it.

                                        So you lash out at the GOP and throw around the race card.

                                        So predictable - and soooo childish.

                                        But hey, if my guy was falling as fast as yours, I guess I'd try anything and everything too...except any common sense.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #10.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT
                                        FredC

                                        newwtricks: regarding your 10.3 comment, 4th paragraph:

                                        http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/president-obama-has-done-more-for-this-country-and-its-citizens-in-18-months-that-bushcheney-did-in/question-1145383/

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #10.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
                                        Vehement+1

                                        Am sure this is way off-topic here but I have to ask this,

                                        Judging from the idiots now running for the office of the President, and my view of the current individual in said office, What is so damn important about becoming the President in the first place ?

                                        Regardless of whether it's a stupid question or not or not correct in context, would someone please answer the question in layman's terms.

                                        My reason for asking such a question is based on how or what do we place importance on when we select a person to govern us , is it Intelligence or something else ?

                                          #10.10 - Tue Sep 6, 2011 3:19 AM EDT
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                                          a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
                                          Ggap

                                          Stand up, Wash your a$$, and put a clean pair of underware on.

                                            Reply#12 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:29 AM EDT
                                            FredC

                                            I think that MeanGene had set a record for ignoring on NV!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #12.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
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                                            Oliver Closoff

                                            This is just one fricking laugh fest. I'm trying really hard to take you guys seriously.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#13 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:31 AM EDT
                                            Dean Moriarty

                                            I can't put the blame on the Republicans for
                                            Obamacare, Cash for clunkers, me getting stuck owning a share of Government motors, QE1 or Qe2 and their deficit ballooning inflationary impact. And they are not the one trying to raise my taxes.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#14 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
                                            MeanGene-3334839

                                            Dear President Obama,

                                            Look buddy, I know you've been taking a little bit of flak for your incessant vacations and being on vacation while the East Coast was getting smacked by a hurricane, but I say to you, do not listen to the naysayers. I know what Mitt Romney said about you need to call back the lawmakers, but I implore you not to listen to that Republican.

                                            Listen to this Republican instead. You go ahead and you vacation your little heart out. You stay away from Washington D.C. just as much as you want, in fact if you want to stay out of D.C. all the way until January of 2013 you will not hear so much as one peep of complaint from me. In fact, I'd greatly appreciate it if you never bothered coming back at all.

                                            Oh, and one more thing... shut off that autopen on your desk before you go, please.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Mean Gene

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#15 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
                                            LanaD

                                            Obama has taken far less vacations than Republican presidents in the past. Sorry you don't want him to be able to spend quality time with his family and feel that's a privilege only reserved for Republican presidents.

                                            You do know their vacations are nothing like you or I's, right? The president is still in contact with his advisers and on call for any emergency. It's possible to carry on the duties of the president away from the white house believe it or not.

                                            But hey, why let facts get in the way of your unfounded anger?

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                                            #15.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT
                                            MeanGene-3334839

                                            It's not THAT he takes vacations, it's WHEN he takes vacations. He knew Tropical Storm Irene was turning into a Hurricane aimed at the East Coast right after Virginia had an earthquake and he went on that vacation anyway.

                                            It's not the first time the creep has done that. He did it when the BP oil spill was fouling the gulf, taking off to Hawaii for some fun in the sun.

                                            How about when the NATO missiles started flying into Libya? Do you think Obama was in the White House or in Rio De Janeiro? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

                                            One thing you can say about this President. When the going gets tough, Obama gets gone!

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                                            #15.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
                                            LanaD

                                            So cancel his vacation because of a hurricane during hurricane season? That earthquake in Virginia was nothing he should put his vacation on hold for either. He had no control over the spill and it was all taken care of by BP because they are the ones with the technology. I wouldn't count his trip to Brazil a vacation because he still did official business while there. NATO was in control of the operations in Libya, not just the USA.

                                            And for all the above I don't see why you can't accept that he can still perform presidential duties away from the white house. Technology is a wonderful thing

                                            There is ALWAYS going to be something unpleasant going on in this country and if he waited until everything is perfect he will never go on vacation.

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                                            #15.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:05 PM EDT
                                            MeanGene-3334839

                                            LanaD, I said nothing about a cancellation. Rescheduling is possible. We have the technology to do that. The man has a jet airplane assigned to him, maybe you've heard of Air Force One. It's not like he's got non-refundable tickets.

                                            US Military operations are not under the control of NATO. They are under the authority of the Commander-in-Chief, or maybe that should be AWOL-in-Chief because when US Ships and Planes were unleashing the Dogs of War, his Worshipfulness was on the beach in a resort town playing tourist.

                                            You're going to tell me about technology? ME? I'm an electronics communications engineer. I know a thing or two about the technology. I know you don't take some of that technology running around overseas because encrypted communications are classified as weaponry. You do not risk losing crypto overseas. That's why Seal Team Six destroyed the helicopter which crashed getting Osama Bin Laden. There are severe limitations to what you risk taking with you out of the USA.

                                            I'm not talking about everything being perfect. I'm talking about wars and disasters. There are plenty of times when missiles aren't being fired and natural disasters aren't imminent. Obama simply finds it easier to leave town than to deal with the hard stuff.

                                              #15.4 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 6:19 AM EDT
                                              LanaD

                                              LanaD, I said nothing about a cancellation. Rescheduling is possible.

                                              That's what I ment. Cancelling the remainder of his trip and finishing it off at another time. But of course there will never be a good time even for him to reschedule to.

                                              Obama can communicate with his advisers, give orders and still be commander in chief while on vacation. Why can't you get that through your head that he doesn't need to be in the white house to perform his duties? He can still tell people what to do with those ships and planes. Technology is a great thing believe it or not.

                                              There are plenty of times when missiles aren't being fired and natural disasters aren't imminent.

                                              We are in 3 wars, there will always be bullets and missiles flying! We live in a huge country that experiences all kinds of extreme weather. Wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tropical storms, droughts, floods. The list goes on and on.

                                              Obama simply finds it easier to leave town than to deal with the hard stuff.

                                              No, he just runs things from where he is. Technology! There has been no ill effects whatsoever from his vacationing except a bunch of crazies throwing a fit about him going on vacation.

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                                              #15.5 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 9:46 AM EDT
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                                              gary-1157637

                                              Spot on. We should not require any 'proof' other than what Stevie Wonder could clearly see. The GOP wants to make Obama a one term president, AT ANY COST. This can be proved by reading newspapers, watching the news on tv, reading a news magazine, or listening to the radio.

                                              Congress has run amok ! The democrats in congress are responsible for the things that are wrong with congress, to be sure, but don't forget, the GOP has been called ' The Party of NO ! "

                                              They do not want to create jobs, fix the economy, reduce the deficit, or anything else while a democrat is in office. All they can do is say NO. Even if the plan could work, they arenot willing to try.

                                              Look at the imbeciles that are the front runner candidates for the GOP.........I have news for you....unless the GOP comes up with some sort of 'savior'....Mr. Obama will be the next president.

                                              TERM LIMITS ON CONGRESS PLEASE ! Why not put THAT on the ballot ?

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                                              Reply#16 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT
                                              Ggap

                                              To blame the republicans, you'd be blaming yourself, there's reasoning there. And realistically who can blame the repubilicans for anything,well, except for the fact that it was they who destroyed the economy in the first place, but that was eons ago, and as they say, "time heals all wounds, but getting back, they can't be blamed for anything because they haven't done anything to be blamed for, well, not in the last three years that is.

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                                              Reply#17 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
                                              tyler-1708225

                                              "they can't be blamed for anything because they haven't done anything to be blamed for, well, not in the last three years that is."

                                              Now you're talking, all the damage done to this country during the last three years falls right on this failed democrat administration.

                                                #17.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT
                                                Brite

                                                Really tyler?? Well... let's see...

                                                The GOP, now that it's large and in charge...

                                                • has put forth 0 jobs bills since it took over COngress
                                                • Read the COnstitution - On C-Span
                                                • 2 Congressman swore themselves in by watching the swearing-in ceremony on TV, without actually attending. They later had to be sworn in again, and 2 of their votes were deemed invalid since they had not been properly sworn in.
                                                • “Symbolically” voted to repeal the healthcare bill. Spent hours debating it beforehand, even though they knew it was purely symbolic and would not become law.
                                                • Extended the Patriot Act.
                                                • Attempted to cut all funding for Planned Parenthood and PBS.
                                                • Attempted to redefine rape to no longer include statutory rape, incest rape, or drugged rape.
                                                • Cut Pell Grants
                                                • Attempting to cut 1 billion dollars from Head Start. This would mean that over 200,000 kids would lose their spots in preschool.
                                                • Working on adding guidelines to delay implementation of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, despite overwhelming support for its repeal.
                                                • Proposed a bill that would let a hospitalized pregnant woman die instead of having a life saving abortion, if she needed it.
                                                • Holding hearings into “radicalization” in the American Muslim community.
                                                • Attempted to cut money to Veterans.
                                                • 1 married Republican congressman was found to be looking for women on craigslist.
                                                • Refused to compromise on a budget and are threatening a Government shutdown, which will put thousands of people out of work.
                                                • Made 2 responses to President Obama’s State of the Union Address. Neither of them offered any real solutions to create jobs.

                                                There's more... want me to go on??

                                                http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/03/08/things-the-republican-congress-has-done-instead-of-creating-jobs/

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                                                #17.2 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT
                                                tyler-1708225

                                                Yeh, why is unemployment higher now than it was prior to Obama taking over the reigns? Why is it higher than it was in 2006 prior to the democrats taking over congress? Where are those millions of jobs created and saved? Why weren't the shovel ready jobs so shovel ready after all? Why did Obama chuckle about that? Why did the stimulus not keep unemployment down like we were told it had to be rushed through for, but unemployment instead is higher. want me to go on?

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                                                #17.3 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
                                                Brite

                                                Back to that "Super Majority" myth?? And the "everything was rosy before Obama took office" myth??

                                                Wow... just... Wow...

                                                Where to start....

                                                OK... Super Majority that didn't exist - Congress was 3 (?) people short - Kennedy was just diagnosed with cancer, Byrd was dying and Franken was going through all the crap with his election. So... that leaves the Democratic caucus 3 short at the very least. There were nominally 59 Dems - minus the 3 mentioned, leaving 56, and that includes the Independents (2). Still not seeing the Super Majority... you need 60 Senators for that. The Senate is not filibuster proof.

                                                Unemployment - Umm... Recession?? Ring a bell??

                                                Shovel ready - Dude... when you get out onto a job to fix a bridge, and find that the road beneath it is a goner, but you only have the money to fix the bridge... what do you do?

                                                You want me to go on?

                                                I do research for a living... I find it fun and entertaining... Do you find drinking tainted kool aid fun and entertaining??

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                                                #17.4 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
                                                Ggap

                                                Why why why?............the only answer that you'll accept, and will readily agree with, due to your blindness, has to be because he's black?

                                                  #17.5 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT
                                                  Plantsmantx

                                                  Yeh, why is unemployment higher now than it was prior to Obama taking over the reigns? Why is it higher than it was in 2006 prior to the democrats taking over congress? Where are those millions of jobs created and saved? Why weren't the shovel ready jobs so shovel ready after all? Why did Obama chuckle about that? Why did the stimulus not keep unemployment down like we were told it had to be rushed through for, but unemployment instead is higher. want me to go on?

                                                  Because Obama has been too preoccupied with being conciliatory with people like you. Seriously- pretty much thing you cited there is a result of Obama tiptoeing around things and doing them half-assedly out of fear of the of the fears that would be aroused in people like you by the sight of a black man being truly assertive. Sadly enough, it was all in vain, because he still aroused that fear. I mean, look at yourself. You're excoriating him for not doing things you didn't want him to do in the first place.

                                                  want me to go on?

                                                  Absolutely.

                                                    #17.6 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
                                                    tyler-1708225

                                                    Who's job was it, Brite, to make sure the road beneath the bridge was not a goner? Why wasn't a study done to get the accurate information prior to going on the job and then saying "oops we didn't forsee that." How about the 20 million for a weatherizing program in one district that only hired 14 employees, mostly paper pushers and only worked on 3 buildings? Anyone can research and be selective of what they you acknowledge and start making excuses like you do. The buck stops somewhere.

                                                      #17.7 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
                                                      Brite

                                                      That was the problem, now wasn't it? NO ONE was paying attention to the infrastructure! Certainly NOT the Republicans... And not the Democrats either...

                                                      I make no excuses.

                                                      When a town/city/county/state says... "Yes.. give us the money! We have shovel ready jobs!" and everyone gears up for those jobs... and then they find out that those jobs aren't shovel ready... who do you blame? Sure... let's blame the guy who said... "I got an idea... "

                                                      Umm... what was the Republican idea again?? Oh yeah... a 10 page booklet... with clip art...

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                                                      #17.8 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT
                                                      tyler-1708225

                                                      I blame the one who gave them the money without asking questions. What work will be done, what will it cost, what will the result be, what premiliminary fact finding did you do that will guarantee that result.

                                                        #17.9 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT
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                                                        datsun1

                                                        Barack did not have to scream and holler, because he knew all he had to do was, let the TGOPers sink themselves. Because everyone knows that they can't run a government, with their flawed outdated ideologies.

                                                        I think it was a very smart strategy on the part of the Dems. And low and behold, what do we see today? Chaos and confusion. I think we are truly dealing with psychos who eat their young and would sink the whole ship to prove a point.

                                                        But at least they were voted in during the mid-terms given a chance to prove their worth. But no bubble gum for them. The cat is out of the bag now, those folks have no idea what to do, they are running around like blind mice.

                                                        Let's see what the President comes up with after Labor Day. They've admitted that they have no clue, and need vision. But I think the Right has already circled the wagons and taken a defiant stance before hearing his plan. I'll not loop them all together, because I know that there are some good folks amongst them who love their country and people.

                                                          Reply#19 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT
                                                          Tink-2285193

                                                          "I'll not loop them all together, because I know that there are some good folks amongst them who love their country and people."

                                                          If this is true, then who are they? Why do they not speak out and stand up against the ones who are trying to destroy America? They won't because they know it will mean they will not get reelected. And for many this is too much to bear to even think about. They have suckled at the taxpayers teat for so long they don't know anything else, and do not want to give up their plush jobs, free health care and all the perks that go with the job. So, they sit back and stay silent and let the others tear our country asunder. If they refuse to stand up for their country and its people against their own party, how can you say they love them? Why won't they come to their defense?

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                                                          #19.1 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
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                                                          tyler-1708225

                                                          "Because everyone knows that they can't run a government, with their flawed outdated ideologies."

                                                          You must have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of "everyone" because I sure don't remember you being voted in to do so.

                                                            Reply#20 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
                                                            rick-2988168

                                                            Tink; great article. I live in wisconsin and know first hand how our gov. walker and his buddies work. buy and lie their way into office. then push a crazy agenda. what they didn't count on was how we rose up, put 85,000 on the streets, started recalls. I worked for the recalls and we got rid of two teabags. some may say it wasn't a victory, but we know better. the fight was against millions of dollars, having to first do a primary forced on us by the gop running "fake" democrats, the mailing of misleading and illegal absentee ballots, on and on. I will be working to recall walker very soon and a few more of his minions. ryan is next. charging 15.00 to ask him a question? having people protesting his plans and asking for job relief being arrested? if you don't like whats going on go to work. all politics are local. start by fighting the people nearest you. publish what your doing. make ALOT of noise.

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                                                            Reply#21 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
                                                            Tink-2285193

                                                            Thanks, Rick. Indeed the people of WI have been through the wringer with Walker and his cohorts in the state Senate and House. But, to their credit the people in WI have taken the fight upon themselves and taken it to the real enemy. They have used their email, phones, letters, the media, computers....and the law to let Walker and his cohorts know that they are mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore. Their actions in their peaceful protests were an aggressive, yet non-violent effort to show their disapproval and determination not to allow Walker to continue to destroy their state and its people. Their protests also included a good many of the Republicans who voted Walker and his cohorts into office and realized that they had been duped, lied to and used, and they were suffering the consequences of their votes along with everyone else. And they also supported the rights of those whose fair bargaining rights were being taken away, even if they themselves were not Union.

                                                            The people of WI have collectively fought their own battle, and have done so in such a manner that they have set the example for others to follow, with dignity and peace. This is the kind of action my article is trying to express, instead of everyone else, from both parties, simply pointing the finger at the President and expecting him to fight their battle when he does not have the legal right to do so. They seem to forget that, as America is not yet a dictatorship (and, hopefully, never will be) even the President of the United States has legal limitations of what they can and can't do in office. If the people in all the states that the GOPTeaBags have taken control of and raped the people of their rights would follow the example set by the people of WI against their own GOPTeaBags, they would be doing more to save our country and its people then merely finger pointing at the President. I am reminded of the reaction of the Kasich and his bunch of cohorts who scrambled to make an early urgent speech the day after the second set of recall elections in WI where the Dems retained their seats, about being willing to 'weaken' the law he enacted if the people would drop the referendum to repeal it. As well as Walker's sudden willingness to talk with the other side. So, it proves that peaceful rebellion can work.

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                                                            #21.1 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 5:31 PM EDT
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                                                            datsun1

                                                            You must have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of "everyone" because I sure don't remember you being voted in to do so.

                                                            Well "whoever" doesn't know by now must be in a coma.

                                                              Reply#22 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 7:58 PM EDT
                                                              Tink-2285193

                                                              "You must have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of "everyone" because I sure don't remember you being voted in to do so."

                                                              What......you didn't get the memo? Dang, that's what I get for relying on the cloudosphere to send out good news!

                                                              Sorry...couldn't resist. And you are right...thank you for pointing out that I am guilty of one of my own pevees. I should have said "Most everyone....," as there could be one or two who do not expect that. :-)

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                                                              Reply#23 - Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:10 PM EDT
                                                              datsun1

                                                              Jolly Good, and may I say, spot on.

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                                                              Reply#24 - Mon Sep 5, 2011 12:18 AM EDT
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