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Was the Associated Press wrong in their reporting of the President's speech to the CBC?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:21 PM EDT
politics
By Tink-2285193
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I took journalism in early highschool and worked for our school paper. We were taught that the most important part of being a journalist is;

1) State the truth,
2) Quote people accurately,
3) Abide by all the prevailing ethics and laws in regards to journalism,
4) You must always provide attribution of original author or source of information whenever possible.

Of course there were other things, but, these were the primary 'musts' that we were to comply with at all times.

I can see where many of the people in the media claim to be 'Commentators' as opposed to 'Journalists', as a Commentator is not required to hold to the level of honesty and compliance with the ethics of reporting the truth and facts that Journalists are required and expected to follow.  Many Commentators often state nothing more than personal opinions, rumors, or flat out lies, and pass them off as facts, and are not subject to the same accountability as Journalists. However, there seem to be many people who call themselves a Journalist that by their very method of reporting fall much more into the category of Commentator instead of Journalist.
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What is the difference between a Commentator and Journalist?

Commentator:  A broadcaster or writer who reports and analyzes events in the news. One who writes or delivers a commentary or commentaries.

Journalist: A person who practices the occupation or profession of journalism

What is Journalism?
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Journalism
http://www.robertniles.com/journalism/ - (The Reporting part gives nice details)
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When I am conversing with my family, friends, familiar folk or those of close association, I don't speak in the same manner as I do when I am teaching a class, or speaking at a business meeting. I am more relaxed and casual among those that I am on a more personal level with than business associates or students, where more formal speech and decorum is expected.

I got the opinion during his speech to the CBC that the President was speaking among friends and comrades, thus, his manner of speech was more relaxed and on kind of a personal level. To me is was if he were speaking to friends or close associates. But, there's always those who must find something to be insulted about or pick on the President about 'just because', even if they're guilty of doing the same thing.

Being from the South I have a very distinct Southern drawl and use many Southern slang words and euphemisms. My friends and family members include a wide variety of folks of ethnic decent and backgrounds. I also speak several different languages and use slang words and euphemisms of those languages, as well, and never have I ever been accused by any of these people of mocking them, or being condescending or racist. While I am quite capable and learned enough to speak on very formal speech, that manner of speech is reserved for my business and education worlds. I don't use that manner of speaking when I am with family, friends and close associates. That would be an insult to them, as if I were trying to show them up or that I feel I'm better than them.

Folks can spin it however they wish, and they will, because he is the President, but, I personally found nothing at all wrong in how the President was speaking to a group of people he knew and felt comfortable with, and spoke to as friends and/or associates.

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Tink-2285193

This is just a personal view point, and presented merely as a topic for discussion.

Please observe the CoH.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
mstanley2265

I have noticed that some 'journalist's' are spinning more towards commentary in some of their sentences. Though they do have editors, let us hope, that don't encourage it. Or else the editors are inserting the commentary.

I've followed up some of the AP writers and it's almost as if they have to 'jazz' up their articles somewhat with this type of commentator asides.

A definite decline in my view of journalism and worse... in the editing of reporter articles.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:27 PM EDT
Tink-2285193

mstanley2265 - "A definite decline in my view of journalism and worse... in the editing of reporter articles"

I totally agree. The Journalist is responsible for preparing their report in keeping with the proper requirements and protocol of professional journalism and present it to the Editor. The Editor can either write off on the report as is for publication, or they can use their Editorial rights to change whatever they wish in any manner they please, and pass it on for publication, sometimes without even advising the author that they have made such changes. So, the Journalist may not know that what they originally wrote was altered to meet the Editor's POV, or express a point they want to make, by reading it in the next issue just like everyone else. Yet, it is published with their name as the author and are thus publicly responsible for how it is received by the public, although it is not what they originally wrote it.

This is not uncommon in today's media world where competition is very rabid, and so are many of the people making the headlines as well as some of those passing the information along to the public, so it may be happening a good deal more often. There is just so much news to read with all the world wide events and political warfare going on in our own Congress to try to digest, that it is just about impossible for average people to do their own fact-finding even on the Internet. And, the American people have been brain-washed to believe that their favorite news station or program is totally credible and reports only the facts. Even some of the older, more trusted TV and radio stations are no longer owned by the same people or companies, and are not as dedicated to publishing the truth and facts as they once were. They are far more interested in headline grabbers to boost viewer or readership. And many people seem to forget the wise words of Benjamin Franklin, "Believe none of what you see and half of what you read."

An uninformed populace is easier to control, manipulate, divide and conquer. And some areas of the media in America seem to be working diligently with some entities who wish to use our own political system to achieve their own destructive agenda. So, who can blame Americans for being confused about what is the truth and what are the facts when they are deliberately being misled by so many areas of the media whom they feel they should be able to trust After all, this is America, not some third world country. At least not yet.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:41 PM EDT
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sistagirl

When all is said the media can be your friend or foe. And many are just lazy and wanted to make a simple story into a sensational story. They did just that.

    Reply#2 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
    Tink-2285193

    True, sistagirl. Many people are just too lazy to actually do their own leg work, as it can take a good while to make a good report that will grab the publics eye, so they kind of use a 'theory' of what might, could, would or should of happened, without really knowing for sure of the real facts. In most all areas of the media, the one who gets the most ratings gets the most notoriety, the most advertisers, and thus the most money. So some may even encourage their Journalists to exaggerate, maybe stretch the facts just a tidge, and be bombastic about the way the write or report the news in order to stand out among the many others.

    While I personally might not mind too much if the facts are embellished a bit for flair, a flat out lie is totally unacceptable.

    A lot of people rely a great deal on the media they think gives them the truth and facts about what is happening in our country and the world, and a good number of them are being used and lied to by their chosen media. And unfortunately, there seem to be a lot more out there like that then there are those who are still dedicated to the real profession of Journalism. Like most everything else today, it's all about the money.

      #2.1 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:54 PM EDT
      sistagirl

      Tink. . .It's a shame when the media does this; i'm hearing the President's speech was thirty minutes long. And they highlighted this part to create another story in their arena, just sad.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:11 AM EDT
      Tink-2285193

      Yup....it just never stops because there is nothing on the GOPTeaBag side that is interesting enough to really talk about, and they are all so lame, radical and untrustworthy that the media tries to drum up stuff to fill in the pages that might draw people's attention away from the fact that they are failing across the country with all but their radical base. Just another of the rights media creating a diversionary attack about nothing.

        #2.3 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
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        Fed up with Republicans

        The President didn't say or do any thing wrong and in fact the media did African Americans and America itself a disservice by not running the speech in it's entirety.

        This speech which I watched on C-Span was perhaps the best speech President Obama has ever gave and that includes the speech at the Democratic National Convention that launched his career.

        I have down loaded it and I plan to record copies to give to my grand kids because what he was talking about was the future of America and the importance of what we are doing today to their lives

          Reply#3 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:17 PM EDT
          Tink-2285193

          I agree, Fed up. But, the GOPTeaBags and their supporters have to find something to complain about, so they are using this speech to make their typical ugly and biased noise.

          I am keeping many of President Obama's speeches for my grandkids, to show that the first African-American President of the United States of America was a President for all Americans, not just some based on skin color.

          Unfortunately, the colorphobes just can't handle it. But, fortunately, they are not the majority, as not all Americans still live in the dark ages of American history.

          • 1 vote
          #3.1 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:11 AM EDT
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          Stacey-609939

          "...nothing at all wrong in how the President was speaking to a group of people he knew and felt comfortable with..."

          .....and pandered to.

          http://partisan.blogs.hopelesslypartisan.com/item_10825.htm

          • 3 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
          Tink-2285193

          Stacey-609939 - ".....and pandered to."

          Like...eh...no other politican ever panders in any way to any group of people.? What is your point?

            #4.1 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:03 AM EDT
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            james-1932304

            Once again I like/love this article in short it speaks to the issues of how little so many in this country can not communicate simply because they don't understand, and many media groups prove that when trying to comment on what the President was/is asking the C.B.C. OK let me put this way... it's their own deep seated view. Now here my question.. was this don to provoke an maybe dived africans-American it got a lot of media play...leave no stone un-turn.

              Reply#5 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:42 AM EDT
              sistagirl

              James. . .I think it was done simply for sensationalism in highlighting the one few sentences that could stir controversy and extend the story. So after they could interview the black reps in get their opinions, luckily the few did not fall for it except Maxine Walters. Everyone has to get their face on camera sometimes.

              The black community knows you don't air your dirty laundry in public.

                #5.1 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:22 AM EDT
                Tink-2285193

                Thank you james, for you kind words about the article. I think some people just have to find fault with Obama no matter how meritless or inane it is. Others it seems are just the kind of people who have to have something to pitch a fit about, no matter how trivial, or unfair, with no real interest in their target.

                IMHO, the whole thing was deliberately blown totally out of proportion and trying to find fault and/or insult where none existed or was intended. If the President came into an open room full of people and said nothing nore than "Good Morning," there would be a few people in that room that would try to find something to complain about those two short words;

                a) his voice level was too high/low

                b) his tone,

                c) his pronunciation,

                d) whether or not he left the g off of Good or morning,

                e) did he look at everyone in the room or just some of them,

                f) he spoke too slow or too fast

                f) his tie was it off center by a hair

                g) he walked in the room too slow or too fast

                h) he read from a teleprompter

                i) he didn't read from a teleprompter

                The gross level of stupidity of the GOPTeaBags and their list of candidates has infected the entire media it seems, as the outright ridiculousness of the complaining just goes on and on and gets ever more delusional and ridiculous with each new candidate that joins the list. And even those who aren't on the list but wish there were, or think they may be. Or if they should pass Go and collect the million dollars the Koch Brothers and their Wall Street gang of thieves are willing to shove in their pockets to try and make some kind of sense of the GOPTeabag side of the road, only to find even more pot holes, roadblocks and roads to nowhere.

                The complaints, like this one, are so far off the wall that both those who complain and those who publish it are totally pathetic, and obviously desparate for attention.

                  #5.2 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:03 PM EDT
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                  Tink-2285193

                  "Everyone has to get their face on camera sometimes"

                  I agree, sistagirl. And Ms Waters has always seemed to have a great interest in be in the limelight. In another dissuasion on the topic I heard on a program hosted by msnbc's Chris Hayes, there was another African-American lady, who's name I can't remember at the moment, that was the only one around the discussion table of 5-6 that objected highly and loudly to the way the President spoke to the CBC and found his manner of casual conversation 'insulting.' One of the other African-Americans thought it more congenial, down to earth, the kind of conversation one has sitting around the discussing table with friends. And that is how it came across to me, and from what I am reading and hearing, 90% of most other Americans, no matter what their race.

                  It was just another cheap, meritless diversionary attempt to create a problem where not really existed. They can't get anything really bad on Obama, so they just make up stuff and nit-pick the infinitesimal to keep the anti-Obama jingo noise going.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
                  Brite

                  Thank you.

                    #6.1 - Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:57 PM EDT
                    Tink-2285193

                    You're welcome, Brite.

                      #6.2 - Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
                      Reply
                      Fed up with Republicans

                      Yes

                        Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:51 PM EST
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